Tuesday, November 22, 2005

The Top Thirty (three) Bands In Canada

I [Heart] Music has picked up the torch and carried it over the border, presenting the collected poll of the Top Thirty Bands in Canada, which expanded to Thirty-Three because of a tie. Dipshit swine Jason Cherkis is probably pooping his diapers, bitching, "I call bullshit! Where are the Inuits?!" But it's worth a read to the larger population who DoKnowCulture or haven't got their head up their ass.

Naturally, the Patron Saints of Canadian Rock took home the top spot, but it's a thorough-going beaut from start to stop.

Now, we wait to see if our friends in the UK weigh in.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Worth a read, but not worth linking? Ah well . . .

The Deceiver said...

D'oh! Sorry about that...

tom said...

Canada is now giving the UK a real run for the "rock per capita" title. I enjoyed ILB's list, but this one's got all the bands I'm really crazy about.

the Receiver said...

Haha, good one -- ignoring inuit music is *totally* like ignoring hiphop.

The Deceiver said...

Yeah--by now it's overstated, but Canada's got an impressive stable of bands. And most are showing a lovely adventurous spirit to go along with chops. It's a good time to be a Canuck music fan--arguably the best time.

The Deceiver said...

You misread, Cherkis' accusation that hip hop was ignored was stupid and unfounded--as explicitly stated, major efforts were made to get some real hip-hop expertise into the poll, no one who was approached chose to participate. Of course, having declined, it's not them who are complaining about the result. Only Idiot Cherkis--who you're not gonna catch rolling down the street blasting Chamillionaire anytime soon. He's a poseur.

the receiver said...

Hey, not sure this isn't beaten to death, but you brought it up - so what if the list invited hiphop bloggers? Just shows how insular the people who made the list are, doesn't it? The best American music as chosen by a bunch of people who only like indie rock. You have to blog about hiphop to have heard some?

As for Cherkis being a poser, I live in DC, and i read the City Paper every week - he (and the paper) have certainly covered the parts and the people of DC that most people ignore (the poor parts) so while you might think his opinion of your list are stupid, which is certainly a valid opinion to have, he's definitely no poser.

The Deceiver said...

It, in fact, shows precisely the opposite. It shows that while Kyle does not claim to be a center-of-the-universe expert on all the music of the world, he recognizes the efforts of those who know more than him on the subject. He identified over a dozen people passionate about hip-hop or dance music in America, and asked them to to contribute their time and passion. It also, unfortunately shows that he does not awesome mind-control powers, by which means he could otherwise, I suppose, FORCE people into participating.

Of course, YOU have no idea about the ethnic origin of ANY of the people on the polls. YOU have no idea of the circumstances by which ANY of the invitees found themselves unable to participate. All you seem to know how to do is broadcast incorrect information while willfully ignoring the exculpatory evidence provided on Kyle's site. At the very least, that clearly brands you as a poseur.

RCeiver said...

So what if he asked hiphop bloggers? The problem isn't who didn't answer, it's that those who did felt qualified to comment on the 'Best American' music of the year when their tastes dont stray any farther than each others' blogs. Doesn't take too much to find good music outside of indie rock. Obviously the poll is in good fun by a bunch of well-meaning people -- the end result just looks narrow and indulgent.

The Deceiver said...

So, we just say, hey you 20 people, thanks for taking the time to write something up, but we're cashing it in because a bunch of people you don't know wouldn't join up? That's not a compelling reason. We took full measure of the results--the things that surprised us and the things that didn't.

You may think the end results a "narrow and indulgent." Kyle approached a range of people with widely varied tastes, friends and strangers. You're entitled to your opinion--but it's a fine example of you being more concerned with your entitlement than your opinion.

We add ten hip-hop bloggers, who's to say they don't all cream their pants over Sufjan Stevens anyway? Would you describe a Best Bands in America Poll that came out one to ten with all rap artists "black bread?" Or pumpernickel? Or would your nips harden at the sensation of whatever guilt you're carrying around being alleviated? Tell you what: when you find you've got the guts to do that, then you can some back and talk about someone's insularity.

At any rate, it's not a compelling reason to cancel the poll. Like any list, it has it's limitations. We'll do it again next year, and the year after that, until music stops being interesting to Kyle. 21 participants this year, maybe 31 the next and 41 the year after that. It will ALWAYS have limitations (there won't be a single "Best Of" ANYTHING list at the end of the year that lack galling limitations, I'm afraid. And it will always reveal things to the participants that they could never have anticipated.

Anyway, smarter people than your Econolodge boy see through the BS Kyle's had dumped on him, so I am retiring from this and passing you along to the most recent person to call bullshit on the defamation.

http://www.musiccherry.com/archives/2005/11/the_news_in_bri_36.htm

RCeiver said...

I think maybe you've got me pegged as the wrong person. I never called anybody 'white bread' for sure -- I found (via leafblower) that you were carrying on the argument over here, too, so I thought I'd chime in here since Kyle, Cherkis, et al seem to have moved on. Rereading my comments here - just trying to respectfully diagree with you, that's all.

I do think that had ten hip hop fans voted Sufjan Stevens number one would have been interesting. Certainly less predictable. Twenty hip hop fans listing their favorites as 'Best American Music'? Also narrow, but I like hiphop.

This has nothing to do with guilt - that seems to be a favorite argument when anybody critiques something for being culturally narrow? I'm just saying that the people who participated in kyle's list have really freaking narrow tastes, and it's pretty obnoxious to call the list the Best American Bands of 2005. Maybe Best American Indie Rock Bands as seen on America's Favorite Indie Rock Blogs would have prevented the whole debate?

The Deceiver said...

There is no list or poll anywhere in the wide world that can't be treated with the same reductivity. The "narrow" card can be thrown at anyone, anywhere at anytime.

Which is why I joked about Inuits way back at the beginning--what we have here is, one one side, a group of people who are genuinely interested in experimenting with consensus, totalling up own chits to see what happens to rise to the top with people along for ride who are asking substantive questions (no Clap Your Hands?...ewww, Kelly Clarkson!...Tom Vek...Little Brother)--and on the other side a guy who's basically stating: "I just don't like these people. I'm going to make myself feel good by being a dick." No surprise that the latter party inclined himself toward narrowness and reductivity.

At any rate, the bottom line is this, you and whoever can spit yourself hoarse bitching. It's not like you can stop us! Me, I just laugh to myself and remember: truth will out. Truth will out. See you next year, I imagine.